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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMIN OCT 23 1990 REGULAR SESSION CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 - 1:30 P.M. BE IT REMEMBERED that the City Council of the City of Beaumont, Texas, met in regular session this the 23rd day of October, 1990, with the following present: HONORABLE: Evelyn M. Lord Mayor Andrew P. Cokinos Mayor Pro Tem Councilman At Large Brian R. Alter Councilman At Large Lulu L. Smith Councilman, Ward I Guy N. Goodson Councilman, Ward II Audwin Samuel Councilman, Ward III David W. Moore Councilman, Ward IV Ray A. Riley City Manager Tyrone Cooper Asst. City Attorney Barbara Liming Deputy City Clerk -000- The Invocation was given by Mr. Edward Jones, South Park Christian Church. The Pledge of Allegiance was led by Councilman Moore. -000- One Proclamation was issued: "Red Ribbon Week, " October 21-28, 1990 (encouraging a drug free society) . -000- Mr. Donald Boudreaux, Commissioner of the Golden Triangle Men's Senior Baseball Team, presented a large trophy to Council and explained that about four years ago, Mr. Steve Zigler organized a baseball team specifically for men over 30 years of age who wish to fulfill a youthful desire to play baseball. From about a ten-team beginning in the state of New York, this organization has expanded to over 900 teams in the United States and in the Dominican Republic. Beaumont formed a league this past year with three teams and will increase to eight or nine teams next year. The Golden Triangle is sending a team to Mesa, Arizona, to participate in the Men's Senior World Series. Mr. Boudreaux extended an invitation to any man over the age of 30 to participate in this baseball league next summer for a 30 game season and said the awarded trophy will be displayed in the winning manager's home City Council Chamber. -367- October 23 , 1990 Citizen comment was invited on the Consent Agenda and Main Agenda Items six (6) through eight (8) . No one wished to address these items. -000- The following Consent Agenda items were considered: Approval of the Minutes of the Regular Session of City Council conducted October 16, 1990; Resolution No. 90-238 authorizing Texas Commerce Bank to pledge $4 , 072,911.85 in securities and to release $3,720, 000. 00 in securities held at the Federal Reserve Bank - Dallas/Houston Branch effective October 23 , 1990; Resolution No. 90-239 appointing Bobby Ward to the Electrical Board of Review for a term expiring April 30, 1991; Clayton Weeks and Sally Stokes to the Senior Citizens Advisory Committee for terms expiring September 30, 1992 ; Maree Calcote to the Clean Community Commission for a term expiring September 30, 1992 ; and Stanley Elliott to the Reinvestment Zone No. 1 Board of Directors for a term expiring September 301 1992 ; and Resolution No. 90-240 accepting the sanitary sewer improvements of Bellechase Addition for maintenance, contingent upon filing of the final plat complete with filings of dedication of all rights-of-way and easements. The Consent Agenda was approved on a motion made by Mayor Pro Tem Cokinos and seconded by Councilman Moore. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- An ordinance requesting a change in zoning from RS (Residential Single Family Dwelling) to GC-MD (General Commercial - Multiple Family Dwelling) for about 5. 5 acres in a 200-x-1200-foot strip along the southwest side of the 6900-7100 blocks of Concord Road by property owners (Larry P. Tinkle, C. T. Carden, John Bankston, Levi Williford and Mrs. W. J. Taylor) , with a Planning Commission recommendation for denial and protests filed by 29% of the property owners within 200 feet of the area, was considered: -368- October 23, 1990 AN ORDINANCE ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 30 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF BEAUMONT, TEXAS, AND IN PARTICULAR THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS AS INDICATED UPON THE ZONING MAP OF BEAUMONT, TEXAS, BY CHANGING THE ZONING FROM RS (RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING) TO GC-MD ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON A 200 X 1200 FOOT STRIP OF LAND ALONG THE SOUTHWESTERLY SIDE OF THE 6900-7100 BLOCKS OF CONCORD ROAD, BEAUMONT, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND PROVIDING A PENALTY. The ordinance was denied on a motion made by Councilman Samuel and seconded by Councilman Smith. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- Ordinance No. 90-62 authorizing a specific use permit for a two-chair beauty shop at 908 Fulton in an area zoned RM-H (Residential Multiple Family Dwelling--Highest Density) as requested by Theresa Durgan was considered: ORDINANCE NO. 90-62 ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE ISSUING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A TWO-CHAIR BEAUTY SHOP WITHIN AN AREA ZONED RM-H (RESIDENTIAL MULTIPLE-FAMILY DWELLING - HIGHEST DENSITY) ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 908 FULTON AVENUE, BEAUMONT, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. Ordinance No. 90-62 was approved on a motion made by Councilman Alter and seconded by Councilman Smith. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- Ordinance No. 90-63 authorizing a specific use permit for a church (New Narrow Way Church) for not more than 40 persons at 2893-95 Sarah Street as requested by Mr. and Mrs. Robert Jones in an area zoned RM-H (Residential Multifamily - Highest Density) was considered: ORDINANCE NO. 90-63 ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE ISSUING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A CHURCH IN AN AREA ZONED RM-H (RESIDENTIAL MULTIPLE- FAMILY DWELLING - HIGHEST DENSITY) ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2893-2895 SARAH STREET, BEAUMONT, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. -369- October 23 , 1990 Ordinance No. 90-63 was approved on a motion made by Councilman Moore and seconded by Councilman Smith. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- Ordinance No. 90-64 authorizing a specific use permit requested by Garfield J. Lee for a church with a capacity of 100 people at 3910 Avenue A in an area zoned RS (Residential Single Family) was considered: ORDINANCE NO. 90-64 ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE ISSUING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CHURCH ON PROPERTY ZONED RS (RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING) LOCATED AT 3910 AVENUE AND BROCKMAN, BEAUMONT, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS. Ordinance No. 90-64 was approved on a motion made by Mayor Pro Tem Cokinos and seconded by Councilman Goodson. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- Ordinance No. 90-65 authorizing zoning changes from RS (Residential Sing- Family Dwelling) , RM-H (Residential Multiple-Family Dwelling - Highest Density) and GC-MD (General Commercial Multiple-Family Dwelling) to RCR (Residential Conservation and Revitalization) and RM-H and NC (Neighborhood Commercial) as a result of the East Lucas Rezoning Study for approximately 96 acres of land situated along east Lucas Drive between the Anthony Lucas Elementary School and Pine Street was considered: ORDINANCE NO. 90-65 ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 30 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF BEAUMONT, TEXAS, AND IN PARTICULAR THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS AS INDICATED UPON THE ZONING MAP OF BEAUMONT, TEXAS, BY CHANGING THE ZONING FROM RS (RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING) , RM-H (RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING - HIGHEST DENSITY) AND GC-MD (GENERAL COMMERCIAL MULTI- FAMILY DWELLING TO RCR (RESIDENTIAL CONSERVATION AND REVITALIZATION) AND RM-H (RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING - HIGHEST DENSITY) FOR APPROXIMATELY 96 ACRES OF LAND SITUATED ALONG EAST LUCAS DRIVE BETWEEN THE ANTHONY LUCAS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND PINE STREET, BEAUMONT, JEFFERSON COUNTY, TEXAS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL AND PROVIDING A PENALTY. -370- October 23, 1990 Ordinance No. 90-65 was approved on a motion made by Councilman Moore and seconded by Councilman Goodson. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- Resolution No. 90-241 authorizing filing of an application for a $40, 000. 00 HIV Information/Prevention Grant to finance a project for dissemination of AIDS information to the public through the Texas Department of Health under the Health Omnibus Program Extension Act (HOPE) was approved on a motion made by Councilman Samuel and seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Cokinos. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- Resolution No. 90-242 authorizing ratification of a labor agreement with the Beaumont Association of Police Officers retroactive to October 1, 1990, which includes a 4% pay increase for all members of the bargaining unit and all other provisions of the contract remaining the same was approved on a motion made by Councilman Moore and seconded by Councilman Alter. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None Councilman Alter congratulated Mr. Riley, Mr. Pruitt, City Staff and the Police Officers involved in the conduct of such an easy and clean negotiation process. Council concurred with Councilman Alter's comments. -000- Resolution No. 90-243 authorizing ratification of a wage agreement with Local 399 of the International Association of Fire Fighters under the wage reopener clause for the second year of a two-year contract for a 4% pay increase for all members of the bargaining unit retroactive October 1, 1990, and all other provisions of the contract remaining in effect for another year was approved on a motion made by Councilman Alter and seconded by Mayor Pro Tem Cokinos. Question: Ayes: All Nayes: None -000- Councilman Goodson related that he attended the Beaumont Chapter of the Writer's Guild which was well attended and of a unique nature. Beaumont was given the privilege of being one of cities selected nationwide to host one of the four conferences. Attendees were from 29 states and at least two or three foreign countries. Councilman Goodson congratulated our Convention and Visitors Bureau and local Writer's Guild for promoting such an excellent conference. Mayor Pro Tem Cokinos congratulated the Reverend G. W. Daniels and Sunlight Baptist Church for their 44th anniversary celebration. -371- October 23 , 1990 Councilman Moore lauded the YMBL for conducting an exceptional Fair this year. He said it is proclaimed to be one of the top three in the history of the Southeast Texas State Fairs. Councilman Smith announced that a Moccasin Exchange Program meeting will be held Tuesday, October 30, with a covered dish dinner at 7: 00 p.m. in the Employee Lounge at City Hall. Anyone wishing to attend is asked to call Barbara Boudreaux in the Administrative Office at 880-3716 to confirm a reservation . Everyone is encouraged to bring an ethnic dish and dress in ethnic attire, if possible. Mayor Lord reported that she was the keynote speaker for the first woman's conference in 10 years in Louisiana recently. There are no women mayors in Louisiana, Texas has 149. There are only three women in the Louisiana State Legislature. Mayor Lord was excited by the enthusiasm of the ladies at the conference. -000- Mrs. Judy Allen, 7360 Concord Road, addressed Council to thank them for action taken in denial of the zoning request for a 200-by-1200 foot strip of land along the southwesterly side of 6900-7100 blocks of Concord Road. She complimented Mayor Lord for her excellent leadership and Councilman Smith for being their neighborhood champion and responsive councilmember. She thanked Ted Blanton, M. L. "Buddy" Lefler, Planning and Zoning Commission, City Staff, Edmond Pitre, Murray Duren, Kirt Anderson, and the Police Department for their assistance. Mrs. Allen expressed gratitude for past leadership establishing zoning regulations for neighborhoods and said faith in government has been enhanced by the manner in which this item has been approached. Ms. Trina Long, Route 4, Box 104R, manager of Petland at Parkdale Mall, addressed Council to ask that Section 5 of Article 11 of the Code of Ordinances be amended to allow the sale and ownership of ferrets within the City of Beaumont. Ms. Long submitted a petition with over 500 signatures requesting the change. Ms. Long gave a history of ferrets and displayed a ferret to Council as a tame, domestic animal. Mr. Henry Dannenbaum, 1567 Wall, addressed Council in support of the wage increases given to the Police and Fire Departments. -000- There being no other business, the meeting was recessed before continuing with the Workshop Session. -000- I, Barbara Liming, Deputy City Clerk of the City of Beaumont, Texas, certify that the above is a true copy of the Minutes of the Regular City Council Session held October 23, 1990. Barbara Liming Deputy City Clerk -372- October 23, 1990 EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 (Tape recorder not started at beginning of Workshop in error. Conversation in progress . . . ) CITY MANAGER RAY RILEY: I wrote down a 4 and thought it was a 9. MAYOR PRO TEM ANDREW P. COKINOS: That's okay, Mr. City Manager. COUNCILMAN GUY GOODSON WARD II: Under B1, under Ward III, it says plus ward (precinct) 1 and plus ward (precinct) 84. COUNCILMAN LULU L. SMITH WARD I: Just where is 84? CITY MANAGER: 84 is down here. COUNCILMAN SMITH: Oh, okay. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: But, under Al it shows 89, 691 (registered voters) is correct. CITY MANAGER: Yes. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: All right, but this 89 under B1 should be an 84? CITY MANAGER: Under Ward II, what I am trying to show down here in Ward II, we show (precinct) 62 as being 800 and 64 as being 2626; I believe 62 should be 2626. COUNCILMAN-AT-LARGE BRIAN ALTER: Oh, 62 and 64 are reversed. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 2 CITY MANAGER: They are just reversed. The numbers come out the same, it's just . . . . . . I think there's pros and cons in each case. For example, when we look at this, I believe both 6 and 7 have a certain continuity between them. I really hesitated earlier by cutting these districts, similarly 5 and 62 . . . 62 has a lot in common with 65. And, every time we look at one of these things, I believe it takes consideration . . . . . but again, all we are trying to look at here to provide to you is not recommendations but to show you that there are a number of options that are available, all of which will work numerically; but some might have a better preference for as continuity is concerned to maintain the neighborhoods and their relationship to other neighborhoods. A3 then takes (precincts) 1, 6 and 7 into (Ward) III. Again, there is no other change. It's only the substitution - some combination of either 1, 2 and 89 or 1, 89 and 7 or 1, 6 and 7. The relationship of the other wards is exactly the same. Moving on, then, what we have not done so far in Option A, you will notice is all taken from Ward I into Ward III. B is a combination of again taking 1, but something from Ward IV because these are the other areas then that are contiguous to Ward I that maybe moved into it. So B1 is an option of taking 1 and 84 and that would only require, by only taking 1, it would just make a move of 5 into (Ward) I to replenish it. 84 has some 1, 638 registered voters would bring enough , . . . . . . COUNCILMAN AUDWIN SAMUEL WARD III: that's supposed to be 84? CITY MANAGER: Yes, that should be 84, not 89. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: . That's what we were talking about a while ago, Audwin. CITY MANAGER: And, then, the other combination, now that brings it back. You can see that the balance, then that leaves Ward II though because all it's going to give up . . . as a result of that, it can give up 5, it gives up 64 and 79. And, Ward II then drops to 16,800. It's the largest Ward now, it would remain the largest Ward. It would leave then Ward III still but it would be in excess of 15, 000 which I think it really meets the minimums or very close to the minimum that we are trying to accomplish. So, I think all of these that I have mentioned are possibilities; it just depends on which is the more desirable or what is the preference of Council. Then B2 is taking EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 3 CITY MANAGER continued: again Ward I, but this time taking 12 or 13 which is the Charlton Pollard area all the way down and that would give you then virtually everything this side of the railroad track or MLK (Martin Luther King, Jr. , Parkway) would be in Ward or give you a total eastern boundary and that would give you some 15,425 in Ward III but it would reduce Ward IV down to 14,793. It probably is not as desirable as being one because the numbers . . . . . . and one other alternative B2, B2A, or B3 - let's call it B3, and that is to leave 13 in Ward IV because of the disparity of the numbers and because of the racial background or makeup that we have in 13 - 670 voters and I think that if it is taken into Ward III, it definitely doesn't diminish the representation there; but by taking the additional 670 from Ward IV and by adding 79, it throws it just a little bit out of balance. I think that this would tend to offset the predominantly white voters which are in 79 which is about 967 and I would say about 85, Kirt (Kirt Anderson, Planning Director) , 85 percent, 90 percent minority - 89, 89, excuse me, 79 . . . . . . PLANNING DIRECTOR: 79 has 15 percent Blacks. CITY MANAGER: . . . Okay, about 15 percent minority. 64 is about 50 percent, 50/50, so, while you would be giving up 12, you'd be picking up by retaining 13, you'd be picking up a balance here. Now, that would give you a total then of the Ward III would still stay at 14,755 and the largest Ward again still stays Ward II. There's no change there but it would put 15,463 in Ward IV or a little less than 14 percent variance. Now, what we have noticed over the last part - see, these numbers, we need to be a little careful about voter registration, while this will apply, it doesn't necessarily mean that that's who votes and we've seen a good change in the last three elections. In other words, the numbers that have been provided to you six months ago when we first started this, it actually changed twice. Lots of changes and there's not big variations between the Wards as a result of registered voters and they tend as they increase and decrease though they still tend to be about the same but what I am trying to say I don't think . . . . . . 100 one way or another but I think dealing with portions. COUNCILMAN SMITH• What is the difference in voter registration as compared to the number of people who live in there . . . . . . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 4 CITY MANAGER: Well, we've seen voter registration actually move back and forth and we've actually had a decrease . . . . . . well, Kirt, . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH: Yes, I know. But I 'm saying in the Wards, is there . . . . . . CITY MANAGER: There's definitely a western migration. COUNCILMAN SMITH• I know that but I am saying if you have this 15,000 in one of these Wards, what is the actual population in that area, not registered voters. CITY MANAGER: We can't tell because the census tracts . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH: Oh, that's right. CITY MANAGER: . . . there's just no relationship between the voting precincts and the wards and census tracts. COUNCILMAN SMITH• . . .because the thing is how many people you represent, not how many vote. CITY MANAGER: That's right. COUNCILMAN SMITH• But, I guess this is the only way we can do it. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 5 PLANNING DIRECTOR: We . you know, we can give ball park figures that would give you an idea but I think all of you are familiar enough with the different areas of the city to have a rough idea anyway, you know, plus or minus in terms of percent of errors is going to accommodate the general common sense you would have anyway. The . . . one of the differences you will see on this one table shows the different percentages. A lot that throws it back and forth is because you can show like a 15 percent in Precinct 79 versus 43 percent in 85 but the population difference. There's very few people in Precinct 79, it's a very low population count so like in 89 has only 63 percent, probably today with the 1990 census I think you will see that a little bit higher but has a high population count. So, it easily over . . . counteracts Precinct 2 which is a very low minority simply because the volumes of people that are present. COUNCILMAN ALTER: What is your opinion in relation to the variances of B2 or B3 . . . ? CITY MANAGER: I think B3 would be preferable . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: With the percentage difference, what would your opinion be when the Justice Department takes a look at it with that 13.95 percent . . . CITY MANAGER: I think - my opinion, I think they will be more concerned about the minority representation, that you do not diminish that. I believe it's pretty much up to you try to get as close . . . . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: B3 you think still about is a 55 percent then in Ward IV? CITY MANAGER: It looks as if, yes, currently, we figure about 55 percent minority and I think when. . . if you didn't retain 13 , I think you probably really would be moving toward less. . .50 percent or less, but by keeping 13 I think that it's probably 55 percent or more. You know, you are swinging from one side to the other but there are pros and cons both ways. . . .the last one becomes in many ways the easiest because you are only changing one, two, three, four, four precincts EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 6 COUNCILMAN ALTER: 64 and 79 . . . . . . CITY MANAGER: That's right, one, two, three, four, and five. You would be putting that into IV then some of your growth area. If you do not move over here and pick up 79, both III and IV will tend to be . . . . . .this will allow IV to continue to grow even . . but and then there will ultimately have to be some more changes made I would imagine some time in the future. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Well, as we said, we'd love to see the County come through on 72 and split that which would take that undeveloped area out and split it between I and II which I still think on top will be a good idea whether we can get the County to do it now or sometime before the next election. . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Yes, I agree. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: . I still think that that would move some additional population into I by moving 79 and 64 into Ward IV I think it gives it some kind of corridor. I think you could split 72 in some manner . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH• That's not going to give much population in I because that's not much population growth. Population growth is where 26 . . . I can't see over there, is that 26. Population is in the white, in 26, that's where the population growth is going to be. COUNCILMAN ALTER: 72 is on the west side of Dowlen, it's going to be a good population growth there. COUNCILMAN SMITH• It's very slow, very slow. It's not doing very much right now. Most everything that's developing is developing down below that. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 7 COUNCILMAN ALTER: Where are the drainage ponds going to be, Ray? CITY MANAGER: Out here by the high school, just north of the high school and up on Dowlen. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: part of 78 and 72 . . .? MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: And, also, behind the YMCA, isn't it? COUNCILMAN ALTER: Are they going to be in 72? . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH• See, that going to be drainage, it's not going to be . . . . . . . CITY MANAGER: . . . and 26 . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: some in 26 and some in 72? MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: I keep coming back to what . . . this has always bothered me, what Dr. Smith has been making reference to is the voter registration and the population and there's something to be considered there. And, I think the more you look at it the more . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: What? Repeat that. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: On voter registration and compared to population. COUNCILMAN SMITH• I 'm not concerned but I just wondered, but I don't see any feasible way of having population with the Census Tracts when the Census Tracts are not the same as our Wards and our precincts. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23 , 1990 Page 8 COUNCILMAN ALTER: Besides our Charter requires it. CITY MANAGE R• Well, it'll continually change. For example, if you take 1 up here, 1 has actually dropped in population, 29 percent; but yet 2 has increased 9 percent as has 89 so that's one thing that's being considered. In other words, if you do have to make a change again in the future to add to I, you will still have like 89 and 2 as those areas which legitimately I think can move into . . . when you need the balance and more than likely somewhere up in here legitimately as it grows I think you will see that you will have more of an option to move this north area particularly if this precinct is split (72) . . . . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: What will be the impact, say, under Al, and rather than placing 89 in there, placing 13? I mean 12 . CITY MANAGER: Well, 12 has 1,315 whereas . . . MAYOR LORD: . . .89. . . CITY MANAGER: . . .89 has 691 so you would be moving . . . changing over 700. Excuse me, I think A2 does pick up 7. . , doesn't it? COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: No, Al. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: 1, 2, and 89. COUNCILMAN ALTER: We wanted to pick up 12 instead of 89. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes, instead . . . pickup 12 instead of 89. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: Well, 12 is 1, 315 compared to 691. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: I understand that. I am talking about overall. There's going to be like 700 . . . where are they coming . . .? EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 9 CITY MANAGER: 1, 7 and 12? COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes. No, no, no, 1, 2, and 12. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: 1, 2, and 12 . . .we increase it by 300, Audwin. COUNCILMAN SMITH: No, it would be more than that. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: No, I 'm talking . . . CITY MANAGER: 1,767 plus 903 plus 1, 315 plus 11, 673 would be 15, 658 . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: 15, 6. . CITY MANAGER: Then, you've got to replenish . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Well, we'd have to take out 64 and 79 . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH: . . . 89 . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: 89 is going to stay in I. CITY MANAGER: You've taken out 2, you've got to replace 2 . . . 26 and 62 . . . could put 5 over here . . . . . . see, the only other, if you are not going to pickup 72, see, the only other option you have here . . . pickup 5 out of this one, to get into I you can only take it from IV. To get into I, see, to get the additional ones you've just taken by leaving or by taking this one, then to get back into I for the additional ones on II you have to move from 5 to 62 or from 5 to 65 or 72. And as we were trying to keep 6 and 7 together, we are trying to 62 and 65, once you start moving into Ward . . to become Ward I, then 5 and 62 . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Just 5, 1 and 2, Ward I would drop to 14,3 . . You would have to pick up something else . . . . . . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 10 CITY MANAGER: You've got to have 14, 5. . or 14,6. . . . . otherwise you are over 15 percent variation. . . . . . the racial mix or to preserve the voting strength in Ward IV, obviously the better thing to do is to move all from Ward I into Ward III. What you've got probably from B3 then is a balance which doesn't take quite so much, in other words it takes from Ward I but it is going to balanced off . what you've really done there is that you've increased Ward III, it still is the smallest Ward. II still is the largest but it's been pulled in closer and not have changed any balance in IV or its relatively the same by leaving 13 by taking 12 - 64, it's probably about 55 percent. I don't want to diminish that. I don't think that you can take both 12 and 13 and add it . . . take it away and add 79. I think COUNCILMAN ALTER: 79 crosses the freeway? CITY MANAGER: Yes, the precinct goes across to Fannett Road here at . . . Brooks. COUNCILMAN ALTER: Brooks, does it cross over on the north side? The north side of 79? Does it cross the freeway? CITY MANAGER: No. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: No, I think it stops . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: . . . . . . is there a little finger that goes . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Yes, west of 5 is a little finger of 79, it goes north, Ray, of the highway? Yes, that's part of 79. CITY MANAGER: It extends up to Caldwood (Precinct 5) , follows Langham and then back over to the ditch . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: The other thing that might be a suggestion would be to move that little finger into 5 if Commissioner's Court would do it. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 11 CITY MANAGER: There not going to do anything until after . . . . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: But that would make a lot of sense . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: • that little finger of 79 into 5 and splitting 72, north and south, . . . drainage ponds . . . . . . CITY MANAGER: 5 is the Caldwood area. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: That's Langham Road on the east, Ray, that little finger of 79? CITY MANAGER: Yes. Langham . . Langham on the west, Caldwood Cut- off Ditch . . . on the east. o . MAYOR LORD: I can tell our City Manager is pausing, waiting for further question or . . .? CITY MANAGER: Any director or what . . . whatever is your preference. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Okay, then, let me . . . can I ask you to do something? I'm getting boggled here. MAYOR LORD: I think probably we might not be able to give you any absolute direction today, Ray, because I think all of us want to live a little bit with what is being suggested here. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Looking at . . looking at the proposals, say, under Al, still going back to Al, and Ward III picking up 1, 2 and 12, leaving 89 in Ward I, and putting 62 in I and leaving 5 as it is in Ward II . . . . . . CITY MANAGER: Can't do it. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 12 COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Can't do it? CITY MANAGER: Can't do it because you've got - if you take 62 then that leaves 5 non-contiguous to IV. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Okay, okay. CITY MANAGER: Work out very well number wise if we could do that. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Really. COUNCILMAN ALTER: Checkerboard . . . CITY MANAGER: You know, we have run so many variations to where we were all blithering idiots and . . . . . . these are about the . . . MAYOR LORD: Did you use a computer at all? CITY MANAGER: Yes, well, it still came back to where there's a couple of things that you don't want to do with regard, I mean, for example, we haven't really tried to throw any individual Councilmember currently seated into different Wards. We know where you currently reside and that's where we would like to leave you but as I 've said in every instance we have the way it figures out to where there's not really that . . . . . . so what . . . about what you've got now is six alternatives. There's about every combination that you can . . . any other that you can think of will start moving further apart in either . . in either variance in population or in minority representation and you can see that in the calculations in each instance as you go across they just become . . . . . . MAYOR LORD: Historically, what kind of variance are they finding acceptable, Ray? You've got quite a disparity here? EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23 , 1990 Page 13 CITY MANAGER: I think at most you are looking at about a 10 percent but again our voter registrations tend to change and can have as much as a ? percent variance and I think that probably the Justice Department, I think about 10 percent, but I think they are probably going to be more concerned if we don't dilute the minority representation . . . MAYOR LORD: The minority representation . . . CITY MANAGER: . . . . . . and if one of them had a priority, I think that would be the overriding factor. MAYOR LORD: Again, how do these plans as they are on this sheet stack up like say, which has the least minority dilution and which has the most? CITY MANAGER: III would have no dilution, IV . . . MAYOR LORD: A3 has no dilution? I'm talking about which of your plans . . . which of our options . . . CITY MANAGER: The one that would be the least of any minority dilution would be plan Al. MAYOR LORD: Plan Al. And, then, the most would be? CITY MANAGER: Probably A3 . COUNCILMAN ALTER: A3 gets the percentages higher but has the most minority dilution. CITY MANAGER: Yes, the variances . . . it gets the numbers closer together but . . . . . . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 14 COUNCILMAN ALTER: I realize that population doesn't quality for what we are talking about, but what is . . . have you run population figures even based on the old figures, the approximate population figures . . . CITY MANAGER: Can't do it, the precincts don't even run along the Census Tracts. COUNCILMAN ALTER: . . .along the Census Tracts, there's no way to do it. CITY MANAGER: Probably B1 changes the percentage . . . B1 dilutes IV I think more than anything else. - COUNCILMAN ALTER: B3 has resolved that. COUNCILMAN SMITH: What is B3? COUNCILMAN ALTER: B3 is the one where we don't . . . it's the same as B2 without 13. CITY MANAGER: Leaving 13 . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH: That's what I thought. COUNCILMAN ALTER: Leaving 13 where it is. MAYOR LORD: Say that again. COUNCILMAN ALTER: B3 which is the one . . . . is the exact same thing as B2 without moving Precinct 13 . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 15 COUNCILMAN GOODSON: You'd just move 1 and 12 . . . . . . MAYOR LORD: The same without moving Precinct 13 . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Right. COUNCILMAN SMITH• You want to move it out of I and IV. One out of I and what other MAYOR LORD: 13 would stay right where it is. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: That ends up with about 13 , . . . almost 14, . . . CITY MANAGER: But it preserves the minority representation . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: And, . . . I still think the easier thing is to do something with 72 if we had to and . . . . . . I don't think you'll have to because that really just moving it from my Ward to Lu's. It doesn't change the 14 percent. It just changes . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: It brings I and II more into balance and it also . . . . . . it's pretty scarce population, I don't know about the voters but you've got about as much subdivision . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH• No, that's . . . that's not . . . that is all not very sparsely populated . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: In that area where Mike used to live? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Yes, it's not very . . . . . . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 16 COUNCILMAN SMITH• Well, that little corner up there off 105 is but we are talking all the rest of that. You see, . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: There's only about 1, 600 people in that precinct. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Right now, that's right. COUNCILMAN ALTER: I thought it was split pretty well. COUNCILMAN SMITH: 72 doesn't have that many in it. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 1, 58. . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: 1,5. . something and I thought that was pretty well evenly split because the south side of that precinct, the only development off down there is off of Gladys . . . development off of Gladys. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Yes, that's right. COUNCILMAN SMITH: What road is that up there . . . no, come down the next line. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Folsom. CITY MANAGER: That's Folsom. You see, Folsom extended. COUNCILMAN SMITH: Yes, see, there's nothing back in there. COUNCILMAN ALTER: Yes, what . . . all I 'm saying is that on the northern side of 72 I think there is as much population on the north side of 72 where that is as there is on the south side of 72 on Gladys . . . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 17 COUNCILMAN SMITH: Well, but I 'm saying the population is going into 26. We are going to annex that. I don't know anyway, it doesn't matter. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: It's going to be interesting to see but I don't think that will be resolved until all these lawsuits over that condemnation, until that's resolved anyway; anyway . . . . . . MAYOR LORD: I guess what we need to resolve here is to give Ray some guidance as to whether we can tell him our preferences and druthers at this point or whether you would like to come back after you've had a chance to live with these things he's given you and give him your guidance at a little later date. CITY MANAGER: Or would you like to eliminate some and then just narrow it down to options. You might want to discuss those next week or . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH• We're going to have to Workshop this again? I don't know, I 'm just asking. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I like B3 with . . . and then probably B2. CITY MANAGER: Yes. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: I can't . . . I can't go along with B2 and B3 because if you look at the trend in 12, not only is it a predominantly Black area but it is a declining neighborhood and it in essence if you put 12 and 13 into Ward III, that will put all of the low income areas in Ward III. COUNCILMAN SMITH: Exactly right. You're absolutely right. CITY MANAGER: You can, just hold it open. You can leave it over there if you plug it in. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 18 COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: I can deal with taking 1, 2 and say 12 and that would somewhat offset one another because there is growth in 2, not very much growth in 1 but there is some growth in 2 . That will offset the decline in 1 and 12. COUNCILMAN ALTER: The only problem with that is that . . . doesn't that . . . wouldn't that require the moving of 62 into I, because I have a problem splitting 62 and 65 . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Well, let's see. Would it . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: That's what we need to concentrate on . is Ward II because there's no way, there's no way, you know to go with B2 or 3. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Well, the question is instead of 62 , what would be the changes if you did 1, 2, and 12 and then moved 72? COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Move 72? MAYOR LORD: I. .I would think from what I am hearing and seeing that you need more time to think about . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: No, why can't we do it now? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Well, we've got a meeting at 3 : 30. Let's go . I 'd like to say, Mayor, if we could just spend a couple more minutes. I 'd like to see what the numbers would be 1, 2, and 12 from A and then moving out of my 5 and 64 and 79 still and then 5 and 72. Those four wards (precincts) . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Repeat that again. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 19 COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Move 5, I don't know how it will look on the map. We are talking about, Ray, 5 and 72 to Lu's (Ward I) from mine and 64 and 79 to Ward IV. And then 1, 2 and 12 I guess would . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH• Well, you were going to leave mine . . . your going to leave my Ward decimated. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 1, 2 and 12? COUNCILMAN SMITH: Well, 12 is not but 1 and 2 are. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: - Oh, okay. Well, I . . . I am still trying to work through all of this. COUNCILMAN MOORE: Yes, right, help us. COUNCILMAN ALTER: Audwin, you want to pick up 2 and 89, right? You want to pick up 1, 2 and 89? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 1, 2 and 12. COUNCILMAN ALTER: 1, 2, and 12. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: I 'll pick up 1, 2, and 12 . COUNCILMAN ALTER: You want to pick up 1, 2 and 12 . And Lu would pick up 5 and following my suggestion picks up 72 and then move another 1, 580 in there which would make that 15,887, and drop Ward I below 14,000. - EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 20 COUNCILMAN SMITH: See, that's not going to give me enough population. COUNCILMAN MOORE: I have a question. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: . . . you're not taking 26 . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SMITH• 1, 2 , and 12, and then what do you want to put into Ward I? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 5 and 72 . CITY MANAGER: 5 and 72 . COUNCILMAN SMITH• Well, see, you've got 62 is 2, 620 and 5 is only 800. You can't do that. MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: What about 16 and 87? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 16 and 87. And I think 72 is 15. .what? CITY MANAGER: 72 is 1, 579. That's a total of 3 , 266 that you would be moving into Ward I. COUNCILMAN ALTER: Did you check 72 and 5 and 72, 62 and 5? COUNCILMAN SMITH: They have on here that 72 is only 800. CITY MANAGER: The net to Ward I with that combination is 14,571. In other words, by taking, excuse me, that's not right. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 21 COUNCILMAN ALTER: That's not right. It should be 15,887. COUNCILMAN MOORE: You all need to help me understand something. I mean, part of the redistricting program was to try to create a balance in terms of minority representation and, you know, that was the reason we came up the configuration of III and IV which is primarily the principle . . should have been about 65% and what we are trying to do is keep a balance within those two districts to maintain that which was the initial plan. But, I keep hearing the discussion about numbers in regards to the other districts which . . . I mean I guess what my concern is is it voter strength or what are we trying to accomplish there? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I 'm just trying to move the numbers around because in my Ward right now if you look at minority numbers there are inconsequential so who I give the numbers to doesn't matter. What I've got to do is give population. I don't have a problem with B3 and again I understand Audwin's concern because I think that population . . . I mean, I don't want to dilute the voting strength in those two precincts (Wards) III or IV either. What'd I 'd like to see is it happen and be able to do something to keep the Justice Department happy with the numbers if we have to. I 'm not . . . David, I 'm not . . . I 'm not for that. I 'm trying to shift over numbers just because I've got it to give while keeping some sanctity of those neighborhoods . . . COUNCILMAN MOORE• I guess the thing I 'm trying to develop an appreciation for because we . . . we get to the point on numbers where they may vary 1,000 votes one way or another with the other two districts or wards and I 'm just trying to understand why that was so important. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I 'm just trying to get the numbers down because mine doesn't have any Blacks to speak of except in 64 which I am conceding needs to go into Ward IV absolutely. When you get into 79, I 'm not sure what the voting breakdown is. It's going to dilute the Black vote somewhat but I didn't think a lot. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 22 COUNCILMAN MOORE: I guess my point is, I think we have achieved that to some extent. My concern now is that the discussion seems to lie between II and I. You need to give up some population I guess to make it more manageable and something could work on the other side of it. I just don't know why we keep . . . . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I was just really trying to do that to get the population down so that it would fly. COUNCILMAN MOORE: Right. MAYOR LORD: Yes, I think what Ray said, the very first thing that Ray said was as equal voting as possible and then two, not necessarily one over the other, but two things had to be done and the second is the minority representation must be maintained. There's two things we are trying to do so we can't disregard the equal voting numbers. CITY MANAGER: Taking out 5 and 72 would still leave you with 17,001. COUNCILMAN ALTER: And, giving 64 over? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 64 and 79 to IV. MAYOR LORD: I think Audwin wants . . . . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I 'm talking about taking four wards (precincts) out, taking 5 and 79, moving them to Ward I, taking 64 and 79 to Ward IV. COUNCILMAN SMITH: 5 and, not 79, not 79. That would be 72 . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 72 and 5. CITY MANAGER: That would put you down to about 15,234. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 23 COUNCILMAN ALTER: That would move IV to about 16, 000. MAYOR LORD: Audwin . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Can I get . . . Ray, give me some figures, please. Taking 1, 2, and 12 into Ward I, I mean into Ward III. What do they give? CITY MANAGER: 1, 2, and 12 would give you 3,985 plus 1, 673 will put you at 15, 658. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: 15,658. Okay, in Ward I, in taking what did you say a few minutes COUNCILMAN GOODSON: 5 and 72. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: 5 and 72 . That would give how many for Ward I? CITY MANAGER: Ward I would be 15,886. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: 15,886. Okay, and putting - what was that going to Ward IV? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: It was 64 and 79. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: 64 and 79. What would that give for Ward IV? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Giving away 12 and adding those two. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Keeping 13 . . . CITY MANAGER: It appears to be about 16,263. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 24 COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: 16,263 . And the remaining in II is what? CITY MANAGER: That was that 15, . . . was it the 15,234? COUNCILMAN ALTER: I 'd have to go back and look again. . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Did you see the number? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Yes, II would be pretty close. COUNCILMAN ALTER: II would be minus 64, minus 79 and minus 5 and minus 72 . CITY MANAGER: I 'll go over II again. There's 20,267 minus . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Minus 64, minus 79, minus 5 and minus 72. CITY MANAGER: . . . minus 64. . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: 64, 79, 5 and 72 . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: I think that's pretty . . . I like that one. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I mean, that's the closest we are going to get on population. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes, and . . . . . . MAYOR LORD: How much is that, Ray? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: It will give us a little, Audwin's got some numbers there . . . . . . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 25 COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes, it gives a pretty good . . . okay, in Ward I it gives you 15,886, in Ward II, 15,234, . . . . . . MAYOR LORD: give me that . . . 15, 234? COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes, Ward III gives you 15, 658 and in Ward IV it gives you 16, 263 . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I would give up on the highest two without the lowest, like Lu said with better growth corridor out west, out on the other side of Major Drive. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes, and then it still gives, it gives a pretty good racial mix also. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: As long as that doesn't dilute David too much COUNCILMAN MOORE: What do I have, 13, . . . ? COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: No, you have 13, 79 and 64? COUNCILMAN MOORE: What's 79? 79, 64, 13? MAYOR LORD: What is the dilution possibility there? COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes, . . . . . . COUNCILMAN MOORE: That's what we originally talked about? COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Yes. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 26 CITY MANAGER: As far as he is concerned, that's B3 . COUNCILMAN ALTER: 6.7/5 percent difference just total in variance. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Maybe, I think the main thing will be for you to look at the numbers to make sure that's not going to dilute you too much. COUNCILMAN MOORE: Well, leaving . . . . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Actually, that's the same thing as B3. The bottom is David. I'm sorry, it leaves you the same thing as B3 which leaves you probably 55 to 60 percent so I think you are pretty safe. COUNCILMAN MOORE: Yes. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Keeping 13 . COUNCILMAN ALTER: The real difference is moving 72 up to I. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: Okay. CITY MANAGER: You'll be fine with 72. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: I think that's what you are going to have to do. . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Until they split that . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Until they do something to 72 , I think this is the only thing you can do. COUNCILMAN SMITH: I believe so, that's okay. Leave 89. EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 27 COUNCILMAN GOODSON: You may not be able to make as pretty a map, Ray, but I think you ought to sell it. CITY MANAGER: Good. MAYOR LORD: So, am I correct with what I have? In other words, 12 is going to come out of III. COUNCILMAN ALTER: III will get 1, 2 and 12 ; I will get 5 and 72 ; II would get . . would lose 64, 79, 5 and 72 . IV would get 64 and 79 and lost 12 . COUNCILMAN MOORE: I get the landfill, right? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: And, then, the nice thing about this is that MAYOR LORD: You get the landfill, right? COUNCILMAN GOODSON: . . . the nice thing about this is that you can go tell everybody gave something that was out of sync. All the Wards gave something . . . . . . MAYOR LORD: Yes, and I think too you know instead of saying that David's gets something, we are talking about minority is preserved because I don't think anybody wants to . . . . . . COUNCILMAN GOODSON: Well, it's minority but it's also growth potential out there. COUNCILMAN MOORE: I think it' s a give and take on everybody's part. COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: I 'm the only one that don't have no growth potential but . . . EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 28 MAYOR LORD: Well, do I hear some direction there for you, Ray? COUNCILMAN ALTER: We have a lot of population, we need campaign to register to vote. You told me that. You have a lot of population. MAYOR LORD: Lu? Do you have a reaction to that for Ray. I take it Goodson and Alter can buy that. Samuel and Moore can buy that. Lu . . Lu can buy that. Andrew, . . . I think you probably have what you need then, Mr. Manager? MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: I think you have a least a little direction there. COUNCILMAN MOORE: A lot of different directions. CITY MANAGER: Let me tell you what we will do then. Why don't we . . COUNCILMAN SMITH• What is that going to serve? You are going to get your population out of . . . COUNCILMAN ALTER: Lu, it's a matter of putting people with common interest together. People on the north side of 72 don't have anything in common with people on the south side of 72. People on the south side of 72 have a lot more in common with . . . . . . COUNCILMAN SAMUEL: What do you mean? MAYOR PRO TEM COKINOS: What are you talking about? COUNCILMAN SMITH: I think that's just as erroneous as hell. COUNCILMAN ALTER: I 'm talking about neighborhood standards. COUNCILMAN SMITH: I don't think that's true at all. I don't think EXCERPT FROM BEAUMONT, TEXAS, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP SESSION, HELD OCTOBER 23, 1990 Page 29 MAYOR LORD: I think the City Manager's has what he needs, so you've got what you can go ahead now and have some fun. COUNCILMAN GOODSON: We've got five minutes, are we going to do . . . is the Housing Authority down here? CITY MANAGER: If you don't mind, I 'd like to take . if you can take five minutes, I'd like to show you for our recycling program a little tape which we will be showing to all of the persons involved in it and also information. It will take us five minutes . . . . . . END OF EXCERPT.